If it turns out that the people managing and continuing the wars in the Near East and the Farther East are doing this with population reduction in mind, we shouldn't be shocked. That's not Dr. Evil stuff. It's not science fiction.

Transcript note: Quoted from the episode's cold open; the same remark recurs in full at 536.

we don't need to have, say, 8.3 billion people on the planet because they're just going to be useless eaters because technology will have made human labor superfluous in general. And so you're going to have to reduce global population.

i just said kind of like academically i was like you know if you do that you're going to lower birth rate he's like oh no we need to lower birth rate because of technology because of ai we've got too many people

we haven't had a majority middle class country since 2015 second term of obama and once that changed of course our political system is going to change and you're going to see in our politics what you've seen in our economy

Well, we can begin with what we know because it's all around us and it couldn't be more obvious that there is overwhelming hostility toward white Christian men among our leadership class.

I mean, they've said it out loud a million times, including presidents of the United States, including Joe Biden and Barack Obama and Bill Clinton have all said, no, it's going to be good when it's no longer majority white and Christian.

And what you hear is overt and homicidal, I would argue, hostility toward this one group of the kind that the Nazis displayed toward Jews

Well, again, if you understand the world by listening carefully to what the people who run it say, you know, there's a glimpse into the motive. Rome, Europe, white civilization. He said it, not me.

I now see that as a system that's responsible for our destruction. We're just not good. identifying the right kind of people, the right kind of qualities required to run an empire or a nation.

Transcript note: The transcript splits 'not good at identifying' across a segment break as 'not good. identifying'.

I kind of agreed with Trump already, but I didn't really realize how central replacement of the current population was to the agenda until Trump showed up

like ben shapiro who at the time i just thought was wrong i didn't really realize that he was this kind of enthusiastic death worshiper went totally bonkers on me

And so if you bomb girls' schools and blow up energy infrastructure and treat innocent civilians like they're combatants and you have the right to murder them, then your people are going to suffer something like that.

So I grieve for America when I see buffoons, our country's run by buffoons, murdering civilians and then bragging about it like apes.

So like, I'm very implicated in this. And so I think about it a lot and what a tragic betrayal this is and how bewildering it is and how upset I feel about it.

I mean, the point is to bring down the United States. That's what Trump is doing. I don't know to what extent he knows what he's doing, but he's being pushed to do it.

Every single one of those groups has been alienated and driven away and replaced by the single smallest group like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin, that's been on purpose.

Transcript note: Words appear to be missing across the segment break between 'smallest group' and 'like Ben Shapiro'.

anybody who would consider using first strike nuclear weapons particularly against a country with no nuclear weapons on a voluntary basis like that person is a criminal like the the most dangerous criminal and should be in prison today

Transcript note: The transcript drops words between 1993 and 1996, where Carlson describes the push to change nuclear doctrine.

i just reject that worldview completely trump has that worldview he's expressed it directly to me um that matter because we're all going to die anyway. I find that repugnant.

Transcript note: Words appear to be missing across the segment break between 'um that' and 'matter'.

My sense is, I don't have proof, but my sense is the Butler shooting was the pivot point in the history of the country.

the last guy, Chris Ray, told us that this person, the guy who shot Trump in the ear at Butler, had no social media profile, which seemed absurd. And it was absurd, it was a lie, and I have it.

Transcript note: 'Chris Ray' is Christopher Wray.

Well, I'll tell you what I've concluded, that Bongino, who I don't think is an evil person, has saw something in the FBI that scared him so completely that he became emotionally incontinent, he's a different person, and it destroyed his life.

I mean, Trump destroyed. presidency over epstein we forget that it was last summer and of course you know then it was the 12-day war in iran then it was the you know full-blown regime change in iran and now it's just it's done

Transcript note: The transcript drops a possessive word across the segment break in 'Trump destroyed. presidency'.

This is so threatening to the Republican Party that Mike Johnson, Speaker of the House, dismissed Congress. So Massey wouldn't have the chance to corral the votes necessary to get this through before the session ends.

Transcript note: 'Massey' is Thomas Massie.

And I do think that Epstein's murder may be related to this. Epstein was murdered and I bet my house on it. I think there's overwhelming evidence that he was murdered.

These people were supremacists. They thought that they were racially superior to everyone else. And there's testimony from people who work for them saying this. They treated us like animals because they thought that the Goy are animals.

It's like, oh, maybe you shouldn't have killed 80,000 people in Gaza, tens of thousands of children. They're like, you're a hater. It's like, no, no, you're a murderer.

So you have really one choice. Are you gonna persist with that vulnerable voting system, or are you gonna revert to the only unhackable system, which is linear, which is paper or thumbprint?

Transcript note: 'linear' may be a mistranscription.

And so the two real risks to the system are nuclear war and AI, and both of them are right there on the horizon, like right there, And the system is paralyzed in the face of them.

And only really smart people like Ted Kaczynski saw it coming. I didn't. And now it's here. It's literally here. And it's going to be bad, but it probably won't be all bad.

I tried. I was like, oh, I'm going to convince Trump not to do this. In the end, Trump's like, buzz off, son. Go back to your podcast.

Transcript note: An earlier telling at 4241 ('convincing trump not to attack iran on behalf of israel') is Carlson's but is labelled Chris Martinson.

That attack has given way directly to at least six separate conflicts in five different countries, wars in which many hundreds of thousands of people have been killed.

So as our descendants look back on this time, they will see, we believe, October 7th very much like they see 9-11 or Pearl Harbor as the beginning of a pivot point in the life of the world, of nations.

Well, you just saw Charlie Kirk accuse Benjamin Netanyahu of a false flag that resulted in the deaths of 1,200 of his own citizens. Doesn't sound like a close friend talking, does it?

So the one thing you're supposed to remember about Charlie Kirk, who was a particularly well-informed and incisive and pretty unrestrained critic of Israel, actually, the tape, the one thing you're supposed to remember is that he was at all times a defender of Israel.

How did that country allow guys from one of the poorest places on earth, Gaza, to fly over in gliders and start murdering girls at a music festival? No one seemed to ask that question.

no country has ever suffered this much which is if you think about it not really a criticism of killing innocents it's instead permission to kill innocents which is exactly what it turned out to be

And a bunch of people from Eastern Europe showed up and said it was theirs and kicked a lot of them out. Now, that's just a fact that happened. It's provable, of course, through the census numbers.

And we still don't know who killed them all, by the way. Some of them were clearly killed by the Israeli military, either intentionally or not.

But of course, what he's really saying and subsequent events have proven what he really was saying was one Israeli life is worth dozens, scores, hundreds, thousands of the lives of other people. Our lives are worth more.

But from satellite photographs, it's very obvious that hundreds of thousands of Palestinians have been killed.

it's of course not okay morally it is always wrong always and everywhere but it is also a guarantee of your own destruction because what you do to others will be done to you

In fact, we checked today and we could not find a single American citizen killed on October 7th who didn't have Israeli citizenship.

Why are we allowing American citizens to serve in a foreign military? That's very unwise. It's offensive, actually.

I mean, obviously the guy's a liar. He's committed genocide. I mean, there's very few things to recommend it, but there is one thing on which you can feel some sympathy for him. He is really wound up.

Maybe all of his donors have been convinced him that he's actually living in a world where you get nuked at any minute, including by countries that don't have nuclear weapons or the means to deliver them. Iran doesn't have either one and never has.

an extremist view is hey let's go kill some kids and that view has become not just more prevalent in israel it has become the dominant view

you would be rightly attacked for being a nazi lunatic but when someone says that about the palestinians that person should also be rightly attacked as a nazi lunatic

So the prime minister of the country called for total genocide days after October 7th and the political class in the United States ignored it like, oh, that didn't happen.

what about our politicians who are signing on to this in our name this is polluting and destroying the soul of our country and that's the real cost it's to us as we stand by and fund this and applaud it

So what do you do about the fact that like, I don't know, 75% of your population finds it repugnant? Do you change? Do you admit? no, killing kids is bad? No. You punish people for disagreeing. You invert the moral scale.

we are actively penalizing people, a quarter million of them, for this crime that we won't define, but whose only real definition that we can find appears to mean criticism of a foreign government.

it might not be anti-Semitism. I haven't seen the study that shows that it is. It might be anti-white or anti-Christian bias, obviously. Who would deny that?

instead of getting a respite relief from identity politics they doubled down and weaponized it but the identity politics jihad was waged on behalf of not the poorest people in the country but some of the richest

why don't you fight a real war against the people who are killing our citizens but instead you're lecturing us about our bad attitudes about a foreign country

Transcript note: Carlson's lead-in at 3031-3037 is mislabelled SPEAKER_07 and was not quoted.

No government official has a right to tell you what attitude you can have, ever, in a free country. You can have any attitude you want, you can come to any conclusion that you want. What you can't do is commit violence against other people

And on the basis of those standards, what happened to Israel on October 7th is wrong. It's immoral. It's disgusting. And what Israel did in response to what happened to Israel on October 7th is also wrong, disgusting, and indefensible.

but because no one has ever been taught that and i think they haven't been taught that for a reason which is to allow latitude for other people to behave just like the nazis without being called out for it

So Meta has, you know, leaked Meta documents show millions of effect acts of censorship on behalf of the Israeli after October 7th by Meta, the company that runs Facebook, and I'm sure the other social media companies are the same.

Transcript note: 'millions of effect acts' is garbled, and 'on behalf of the Israeli' appears to drop 'government'.

So the net effect of this is not, I mean, I don't really care about Israel, but I don't think this actually helps Israel in the end at all. I think they're marching toward doom. Hope I'm wrong, but it seems that way.

the democratic party was rejected conclusively two years ago and they know that the smart ones know that it's not like they have a program that loves they don't like trump and trump is very unpopular so it's they're going to get elected

Transcript note: A word appears to be missing before 'loves' at 5568.

from the Russian perspective, you are helping to fund a war against Russia. And so therefore you're a combatant in that war. They feel this way about the United States as well. And Germany, NATO. But that is a legitimate perspective.

In my own, for sure. I'm not sure the territorial integrity of someone else's state is worth risking my life for.

What I'm saying is that there have been many subsequent agreements since, including a verbal agreement, which has been testified to by people who are present, that the United States would not expand NATO to Russia's borders, which is an understandable concern of Russia.

I mind a lot of things, but the question is not simply do I think it's wrong. The question is can I do anything about it and what cost to my own population?

I thought it was a mistake when I to Iraq in December of 2003. I knew immediately it was a mistake, and I've been apologizing ever since.

Transcript note: A word is missing between 'when I' and 'to Iraq' at 710-712, probably 'went'.

Then why do you keep describing Putin as a dictator, as distinct from Zelensky, who has not been elected in seven years? He's cancelled the elections and banned the largest Christian denomination in the country and imprisoned people for criticising him.

one nation's territorial expansion or its need to control its neighbors which is by the way the state of play for all great powers no country with nuclear weapons will tolerate another nation's nuclear weapons on its border

Transcript note: Segment 822 runs Carlson and Rees-Mogg together without labels; the quoted words are Carlson's.

Well, Ukraine, being the most corrupt country in Europe, might have already sold those nuclear weapons to bad actors around the world, which is one of the reasons that the United States forced them to get rid of them. I was there for this.

There's a hierarchy of responsibility that a nation and individual faces. We've got all kinds of obligations, but we have to put them in order of importance. And you seem to be suggesting that a nation's obligation is to something called the international order.

I don't think killing the innocent is ever justified under any circumstances. And I think the basis of Western civilization is justice for the individual. I believe that blood guilt and group punishment are antithetical to our entire civilization.

They're the things we fight against. That's why the Gulag was wrong. That's why what's happening in Gaza is wrong. It's always wrong to kill people who did nothing wrong.

But maybe, I never understood why fight the Second World War in the first place.

Well, Hitler said that 15% of Poland was once Germany, and it was given to Poland at the Treaty of Versailles. That was German territory with Germans. That was his case. And by the way, that was true.

The UK had nothing to do with it at all, and they destroyed their empire and their country fighting this war that they still pretend was a good idea, but it wasn't.

Who cares? There are a lot of people in Britain who can't speak English. So it would be nice to have at least a European language spoken in your country.

The point is, a war should benefit, if a war is fought with the children of your citizens, which it is, then that war should benefit those citizens.

Okay, but I mean, it's kind of a prerequisite of sovereignty and self-respect not to have foreign soldiers on your soil for 80 years.

But what about your own territorial integrity? Aren't you getting invaded by people in boats all the time? Why don't you use the military to protect your own borders?

really the choice is between a Ukraine controlled by the East, Russia, or the West, the United States. That's the choice. No one's actually suggesting Ukraine should be able to make independent decisions. They tried to do that in 2014 and we overthrew the government.

And both of them were initiated in the defense of small, basically irrelevant countries that are not contiguous to Britain.

But the British government has never apologized for violating its own ancient principles by rounding up not simply members of the opposition party, but their families.

Yes, but not enough as far as I'm concerned. You can't arrest your own citizens because of how they look. That's what we're fighting against.

but if you're a Brit, if you live in this country and your ancestors have lived here for thousands of years, the threat to your freedom comes from your government, not Russia.

I want Palestine to be free, which I don't say, but I don't know why you wouldn't say that. I can be arrested for that in the UK.

He was pushed by a foreign country to do this. It is the most profoundly destructive thing any single decision a president has made in our history. I feel sorry for him. I'm not angry at him

Trump joined the other side in the Uniparty to do this. So he's not going to be punished for it. They'll get him on corruption or whatever.

He should have been removed from office by his own cabinet secretaries the moment he threatened a nuclear attack.

Where did this idea come from? It came from the US embassy in Jerusalem. Who's the ambassador? Mike Huckabee, completely an extremist and a committed Christian Zionist. His deputy who runs the embassy is the stepson of Mark Levin.

There's nothing antisemitic about it. It is what you're seeing now revealing is the control of what was supposed to be the most powerful country in the world by a country of 9 million people with no resources.

The whole, the way we looked at it was in reference to Iran's relationship with Israel. Iran's hostile to Israel, therefore it's our enemy. I just reject that. We should assess our relationship with countries on the basis of their relationship with us.

but on the questions that determine the course of a nation that define history, which are economic policy, what's your tax code look like, and your foreign policy, who do you bomb and why, they're in almost strongholds alignment.

Transcript note: 'almost strongholds alignment' is garbled in the transcript.

I think that we haven't had this conversation for 60 years because people are afraid of being called a bigot for noticing something that has nothing to do with ethnicity. And I just refused to participate in that because the stakes are now too high.

And I sort of stuck with that up until the push for war with Iran, at which point I thought this will destroy the United States. This will result in the deaths of millions of people. This is the worst thing I can imagine.

But I feel somebody should stand up and say that's an outrageous thing to say. Who gave Benjamin Netanyahu, who's some sleazy day trader politician with a murderous history, whose government has murdered 20,000 children? Who gave that guy the right to speak for

I don't almost ever vote for anybody, but I voted for Donald Trump this time, in part, heavily in part, because J.D. Vance was his running mate.

And that was overwhelmingly important to me, that the Republican Party change from being, you know, a tool of a foreign country to being an instrument of uplift for the United States. Didn't happen.

And I said to Trump, you know, four days before the war started, if you do this, you know, the United States will be kicked out of the Gulf. The American empire will begin to collapse. Your legacy will be destroyed along with your party.

If Russian businessmen could pay the Trump family and push Trump through those payments to end the war in Ukraine, I would be for it.

And I knew exactly why he was there. And of course, I heard from people in the meeting why he was there. He was there to push the war we're currently in.

I said this to Trump to his face in the Oval Office days before the war began. And he looked at me and said, yes, you're right. But in the end, we all die anyway. So it doesn't matter. That's exactly what he said.

The goal was to get the US out, to diminish the GCC and obviously to take Iran off the map and sink it into permanent internal into civil war, sectarian strife.

Actually, Israel has nuclear weapons. Israel is a legitimate global power because of that. And so from Israel's perspective, Israel wants to control its region. Why wouldn't they? We've got the Monroe Doctrine because we want to control ours.

you've got one party that's like, oh, we need to ban Sharia law and kill more Muslims. And you've got another party that's just like the politics of Jackson Hole.

And the core problem is that no matter who you vote for, you get John McCain. And most Americans don't want John McCain.

Well, a lot of it was wasted because I was having fake debates. And I'm not exactly sure why I didn't see that or allow myself to see it, maybe because I was at the center of it.

I have never thought, and I don't think to this day that there's some hidden sex crime that Trump committed. For all my criticisms of Trump, I don't think he molested girls on Epstein Island.

He said to me, the whole conversation will be twisted by the media to implicate me in what Epstein did. I got nothing to do with this.

In fact, I'm not allowed to run around judging other people's spiritual conditions. So to the extent, first of all, I'm sorry for saying that.

I know that he's uncomfortable with the idea of death, very. And that's been a good thing by the way. didn't get us into, you know, by the standards of American presidents, he was a restrained leader, very restrained, most restrained since Jimmy Carter.

Transcript note: Words are missing before 'didn't get us into' at 2529.

Which is disgusting. No president should ever make a dollar as president. That should be completely, I don't know why that's not illegal. I hope it is. No member of Congress should be using his office to make money.

my personal view is that if you decide, like, I'm going to really try to be a good Christian and you start to believe that you really are a good Christian, you're doing it wrong. Like, humility is the ticket price.

So I would just say, again, you're not getting close to God until you acknowledge you're not God. And my sense is that a lot of the developers of AI mistake themselves for God.

And so those are big unknowns, huge unknowns. Like on the basis of those two facts alone, we don't know these two things, we need to slow down. That's my view right there.

And the number one thing I wanted to achieve was get the neocons out of the Republican Party because they did the Iraq war. And I was really mad. I remain mad about the Iraq war.

Like once you decide that an entire ethnic group or religion because of how they were born, how is that different from any other variety of that? It doesn't seem any different to me at all. And it all seems disgusting.

The majority of the definitions in the official list of definitions pertain to the state of Israel, not to Jews.

But why wouldn't you get someone who is appealing and not hateful and not laughing at pictures of dead children as he has, who's like, it seems like an intentional effort to inspire hate against Israel, actually. That's what it looks like to me.

I don't remember there being like stark, angry divisions. And I don't know, golden age. I don't even, but it was great as far as I recall. Maybe I missed it, but I never heard anybody express hate toward anyone else ever.

But at the same time, and this does amaze me, Israel seems to be like everywhere, all over Latin America, Africa, Somaliland, Argentina, Venezuela, Colombia. All of a sudden, they're Israeli.

But it seems like the first thing they did when they arrested the leader of the country was to force the new leaders to make nice with Israel. Like, why is that the number one priority of our State Department?

the population here is becoming aware of the cost, excuse me, of this relationship and aware of the genocide in Gaza, et cetera, et cetera. Like people are mad at Israel. It's just obvious and young people especially.

No, he's an instinct player, Netanyahu is, obviously. And his instinct is aggression and expansion. And it's worked incredibly well. I don't think it'll end well for him.

He took orders from him before the 12-Day War. Netanyahu said, we're doing this, and Trump followed him. That's a fact, I'm not guessing.

Trump went along with the leader of a country of 9 million people who he dislikes personally and who was under indictment in his own country. So that's not a picture of power, at least conventional power.

I mean, I was there. She walked right past me and everyone else standing in line, blew right through. without a security check. She's not even an American. She's an Israeli warlord, essentially.

So he's basically throwing away his entire legacy, his family's future. All of this is being destroyed because he's following Israel. Why is he doing that?

Only one person in mainstream media criticized that decision. I'm not bragging. It's the only thing I'll brag about. I was that guy, and I took a huge amount of crap for it.

Assassination is murder. And the distinction that we make between the legitimate use of force by the state and... homicide is either imminent self-defense someone's coming at you and you have to kill a person to protect your life

Except the pain hasn't really started. And it was yesterday, the diesel fuel on which the entire economy runs hit 10 bucks in California, a gallon.

You can imagine this becoming not just a squeeze or a downturn, but a catastrophe where people in the United States get poor and people in other countries starve.

The only way out is to constrain Israel. So it's a binary. It's a choice. It's like disaster. Or loyalty to Israel. And he's, at least as of right now, he's choosing loyalty to Israel.

I mean, no matter how much money they promise you or radio shows they sponsor or whatever they're doing, in the end, you're looking at becoming the most unpopular president in the history of our country.

I don't remember the last time I was frustrated by Sharia law. It's not like an issue in this country. Prices are an issue. Lack of opportunity is an issue. Drugs are a massive issue.

SSRIs that are making everyone crazy and causing mass shootings.

I don't endorse anybody. I'm a podcaster. But moreover, I just know the guy he's running against, who's a loathsome person, who is exactly, Mike Rogers is exactly the Republican you run if you want to lose.

I've never understood that, but certainly a foreign flag in a Christian American church. Like, why would you do that?

It's like, well, I'm in no sense obsessed with the Jews, obsessed with my kids and a lot of things, but not the Jews at all. Other people are obsessed with Israel in a way that's really destructive and ugly, I think.

But it's not even, quote, Jews who are doing this. It's the Christian Zionists who are doing it. And so like, it's like not a good faith response at all.

there is a spell that settles over people and you wind up with a lot of people, including some I know who are like, no, no, no. We need to support people who reject Jesus as they kill Christian children because Jesus wants us to.

It's important to treat people as human beings and not obviously denigrate or dehumanize them. Of course, that's evil, but also not deify them. That's also evil. Like they're people just like us, just like me, just like you.

And you have the collapse of the two-party system. Well, it hasn't collapsed, but I mean, it's been revealed as fake. And you have very intense discontent at the center of both parties. And then you have this looming financial disaster.

And it was 25 years before I realized I'd been completely used. It's to my shame. I mean, I agreed to it. I did it. It's all my fault. But I was used to stop Perot, not because he was crazy.

Transcript note: The start of this story at 7532 is mislabelled Max Blumenthal and was not quoted.

Because he had a take on economics that wasn't populist exactly, but it wasn't neoliberal. And that was the real threat. And they hated him for that.

I have no interest in running for anything ever, but I certainly feel comfortable in who I am, and I'm not intimidated by them, that's for sure.

context for that, which is not to excuse it. I just want to be clear I'm not excusing that or any killing of innocents.

I should warn you that the IHRA definition of anti-Semitism includes comparing the actions of the Israeli government to those of the Nazis. So you've just committed anti-Semitism.

Instead of making the case, what I see happening is attacks, not just verbal attacks, but attacks on people's employment against anybody who says, wait, this is cruel and awful.

Those people, the Trump administration stripped them of their green cards in a bunch of cases. So I don't see anybody trying to make the case for Israel. I see supporters of Israel attacking anyone who questions Israel, I guess.

In fact, self-destructive to equate criticism of a foreign government, a foreign politician, Netanyahu specifically, who's not even that popular within Israel, to say criticizing him is the same as hating all Jews. Why would anybody make that case? That seems crazy.

So I think we have different politics, or I thought we did, but I would be thrilled to have you teach my children if the attitudes you just explained are your attitudes in the classroom.

basically the department and then the college voted to give you tenure pretty overwhelmingly and then a bunch of outside including donors and Alan Gershowitz, intervened and the university, the president, if I'm remembering this correctly, denied you tenure.

Transcript note: 'Alan Gershowitz' is Alan Dershowitz; a word is lost at the segment break ('a bunch of outside / including donors').

there's a consensus globally pretty much that what israel is doing is totally indefensible these are crimes um but the question is will there ever be a reckoning

Transcript note: Carlson's question begins inside a Finkelstein-labelled segment ('so last question pertains to what you just said the') and continues in this >> segment.

Very few people voted for Trump, hoping that, you know, the Iran nuclear program that didn't actually exist in any meaningful way would be the central focus of the administration

who I should say are some of the best people in the country, whatever you think of Trump, there's sort of this weird situation where the best people in the country elected one of the worst people in the country

The immigration system was not designed to benefit the public. And if it was, tell me how it's worked. There's no net economic benefit to the way the United States has done immigration over the last 25 years.

Meanwhile, often in the same speech, they will say immigration is turning American non-white, and that's great. And anyone who notices that is a believer in the great replacement conspiracy theory, which is anti-Semitic.

Transcript note: 'turning American non-white' is likely 'turning America non-white'.

And the primary reason it's no longer true is because labor markets were watered down by more people. It's a supply and demand question. More willing workers, lower wages.

the 2016 campaign could be boiled down to one slogan build a wall well of course Trump didn't build a wall didn't even make really a good faith effort to build a wall and his supporters and defenders mostly ignored that me included

It's always terrible. It's too much change, too fast, and it destroys the pre-existing culture. every single time. So we know that. It's not racism. That's nature.

were the haitians eating the dogs and cats in springfield i don't know they certainly could have been has mass migration third world mass migration made small towns in america better only people who've never been to those towns could claim it has

Martha's Vineyard looks a lot like it did 50 years ago. So does Nantucket. So does Brookline, Massachusetts. So does Aspen. If it's great then why don't they have 10 000 haitians living in martha's vineyard because it's not great that's why

And if it was the opposite of that, why did he hire one of the most liberal Republicans in the Senate, one of the most pro-illegal immigration Republicans in the entire Senate?

Transcript note: 'Mark Wayne Mullen' in the transcript is Markwayne Mullin.

And here he is telling the 50 governors that actually I'm not going to enforce those laws.

that's the most damaging thing trump or any american president has ever done beginning a fruitless war with iran and thereby destroying our empire and probably our dollar

why Trump was able to move from the private sector as a branding guy to the White House as an American president was on the basis of his promises on immigration. So for him to betray those promises is profound.

But that's not the whole story. The whole story is that immigration enforcement in the United States has stopped, has stopped.

why are we using our $1.5 trillion military to fight a war across the world when we have 107 million illegal aliens in our country.

Transcript note: This >> segment also contains Bovino's words ('illegal the ones that came right across that border ...'); only the closing question, which Bovino answers 'I agree with you on that 100%, Tucker', is quoted.

The price now in many American cities, particularly in Texas, is $50 a gram for almost you can have delivered to your house within like 10 minutes, no risk. So that tells me that we don't have secure borders.

Transcript note: Words are lost at the segment break ('for almost / you can have').

so if you've got 105 illegal aliens in your country someone wants them there someone in power like donald trump or whoever is making these decisions

Transcript note: '105 illegal aliens' refers to Bovino's estimate of 105 million.

democrats are about to take power in two months and at that point the chances that and you know you think republicans gonna win in 2028 i mean after this war in iran no so you're gonna they're all gonna be legalized

Transcript note: This >> segment opens with Bovino's words ('farce it's a slap in the face ... we can still win this'); the quoted reply that rebuts Bovino is Carlson's.

Their schools have been destroyed. The murder rate's out of control. They're being replaced by illegal aliens, and literally nobody cares. Nobody cares. And their families have been here for 350 years, and nobody cares.

He doesn't work for the government anymore. He spent the whole life on the federal teat and he still has secret service protection. Anthony Fauci, who committed crimes, but you don't because the administration didn't want you to have security?

And that's what voters wanted. That's why they elected Trump. That and no new foreign wars. And then the donors convinced Trump to fight a foreign war that voters did not want.

so McCall is a tool of the intel agencies i happen to know and i and i mean that

Transcript note: 'McCall' is Rep. Michael McCaul.

i have noticed a connection between the people who are like not very loyal to the united states and very into fighting wars on behalf of other nations they're also very against immigration enforcement

The upside, however, for the people in charge is an immigrant population is much easier to control. They don't believe that the Bill of Rights is real or applied. They don't have natural rights.

Except it's now antisemitism, not racism, because nobody cares about black people anymore. But it's the same. It's the same thing, though.

If you can't show your face in public, I don't know. I mean, what message are you sending? We can't control our own country? We're not legitimate enough to defeat domestic insurgencies against us? What are you saying? It's such an expression of weakness.

if you were to have like a mass protest against election theft or illegal immigration it'd be shut down immediately by the same people who allow black lives matter protests to destroy our cities

Transcript note: This >> segment opens with the end of Bovino's question; the quoted answer is Carlson's.

if you told me when i was you know speaking on thursday night at the republican national convention introducing trump that two years later i would be talking to a former federal official about how he betrayed the entire country in immigration

Transcript note: This >> segment opens with Bovino's words ('tucker and you're going to say ... it needs to be said now'); the quoted reflection is Carlson's.

So we are moving toward, on this trajectory, if it holds, we are moving toward a nuclear exchange because you have two conflicts, one in the Middle East and one in the Near East, Eastern Europe, Ukraine and Iran that are suddenly somehow merging.

So you have the president of the United States, whatever they tell you, openly threatening the use of nuclear weapons in a conflict that has no immediate or obvious resolution.

At best, we give up our ability to make important life decisions to machines. We put machines in charge of our lives, that's at best. And at worst, the machines decide to kill us.

will make certain that your kids and grandkids and probably you don't have jobs and we're gonna i guess do something about that but it's not clear what and that's coming in like a year

The most radicalizing fact of American politics in the last, I don't know, century. confirmation that we got on or about February 28th that the parties on the big issues are identical.

Transcript note: Words are lost at the segment break between 'century.' and 'confirmation'.

Trump initiates the one thing he said he'd never do, a regime change war in the Middle East against Iran, a country much bigger and more powerful than the last regime change we attempted, which didn't work.

So probably going to get a third party or multiple parties. Is that the best system? I don't know. It's better than the one we have.

sex creep possibly a kid toucher clearly involved with massad and who knows what other foreign intel agency was involved in the weapons trade

Transcript note: 'massad' is Mossad.

it's not that he was bad it's that he got a pass because of who he was the rules did not apply to him people can't tolerate that it makes them crazy and it should

So when your nation is not sovereign, of course, it leads to things like the Iran War, which you do both by Israel, which is exactly what happened, and everybody knows that, so you're not sovereign there.

Transcript note: Words are lost at the segment break ('which you do / both by Israel').

But certainly at Israel, I mean, that's taking place in real time. And shouting at you that you're a Nazi or a bad person for noticing isn't really adequate.

Because when you owe more than you can immediately repay, you're effectively owned by the person to whom you owe the money. So debt is an attack on sovereignty.

And so it's important to say that the goal is sovereignty. No more foreign lobbyists, none. No more control of the agencies by industry, none. And no more government promotion of debt to high-interest moneylenders.

but you don't have to understand economics to know that they were absolutely right that you are judged by the things you make but you also judge yourself by the things you make

But what it really was, was an uglification of the country. And again, clearly there was a design to this. There was a reason this happened.

and murder and carjacking is itself a form of fascism. It is oppression of the population. Allowing your public transit, your subways, to be filled with urine and graffiti, what is that? It's an attack on your population.

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There's almost no natural human activity in the United States that doesn't seem to require a pharma product, whether it's having sex or going to sleep. The most basic functions of all, all require pharma products.

The law reflects the truth as of right now, which is it's totally fine for your leaders to lie to you. It's a crime for you to lie to your leaders.

lies to us it's about the iran nuclear program no really it's the iran nuclear program nothing to do with the iran nuclear program which you told us you eliminated last summer so clearly you're lying

and of course the main reason that over a billion federal documents are classified is in order to give the people running the government the ability to do whatever they want including enrich themselves steal defraud your money

And parts of it will seem self-evidently obvious, like what happened, planes flew into buildings, but some of it, like Building 7, which collapsed for still no explicable reason, are totally confusing.

You wouldn't flirt with nuclear war if you weren't 80, Would a 40-year-old with four kids push his country to a point where there was a plausible chance that there would be a nuclear strike?

but basically the entire education establishment, and it's one of the best funded establishments in America, exists to lie to kids, to your kids, to their students, about the way people are.

When you see your secretary of war jumping around like a dragon, monkey calling for the murder of innocence, and no one says anything about it, then you know we've taken a path that nobody can be proud of.

Transcript note: 'like a dragon, monkey' is garbled at a segment break; 'murder of innocence' is likely 'murder of innocents'.

Israel's not the only country that's committed genocide and neither is Nazi Germany. It's happened a lot. But when that does happen, we're not going to pay for it because it's disgusting.

a girl's school, you're going to say, I'm sorry we did that. In fact, we'll pay you restitution because no child, no school girl deserves to get blown up by a Tomahawk missile or double tapped.

So there's no justification for any immigration into the United States of any kind until we understand the effects of AI.

and so if you just cut off benefits to people and check social security numbers you probably wouldn't need to round anybody up or shoot anybody just we're not paying you to be here illegally

And the second thing you would do if you wanted to truly unite the country would be to pick a language, and that language is English.

That's not to say there aren't natural differences between people. Of course there are, including between races. Of course there are. But are they bigger than the things we have in common? No, they're not.

So basically we are moving toward nuclear war. If this trajectory remains unchanged, we will be at a nuclear exchange. Like all things being equal, that's where this train is going.

AI, they tell us, it's designers tell us, we're years, two or three years, maybe 10 years, but at some point we'll arrive at a place where human autonomy is gone.

Transcript note: 'it's designers' is the transcript's spelling of 'its designers'.

So we know we're getting a new system, either by force or by choice.

And in a country or a world of electronic voting machines, like you don't actually have really the power to fundamentally change because an electronic voting machine, whether it's been corrupted, subverted or not, can be corrupted and subverted.

if you ever had a national movement to really make change to, I don't know, ban usury, for example, I'm just trying to get to the third, the hottest of the rails here, the actual third rail, which is money lending.

It doesn't democratize anything. It makes the system more pyramid-shaped and lopsided, obviously. And it gives potentially just ultimate control, not simply of our bodies, but of our minds, to a small group of people who administer it.

I don't think most people understand that a lot of the battlefield decisions in Ukraine or in the Middle East right now today are being made by machines without human intervention

Our regime in the United States is far more totalitarian than anything attempted in East Germany. There was no spying in your bedroom in East Germany, at least for most people. There was no camera in your vehicle watching your face.

but one handy guide to discovering what's true is taking a look at what's penalized so if somebody says something and gets a at, deplatformed, or in some cases put in jail, you can be pretty certain that person is not telling a lie.

Transcript note: A word is lost at a segment break ('gets a at, deplatformed').

my views changed after I went to Iraq they changed like a hard stop I was like wow I was totally wrong I admitted it immediately in an interview with the New York Times

you were doing the bidding of a foreign power and you were aligning with the people you say you hate including the leadership of the Democratic Party so it is a uniparty actually

I am socially conservative. I believe in the family. I don't want to kill kids, either in Gaza or at Planned Parenthood. I'm against that, okay?

But they definitely don't want a tax code that taxes investors at least. than half the rate of wage earners. Like, tell me why that's okay. It's totally unfair and crazy. By the way, it's not the free market. That's a government policy.

Transcript note: 'at least. than half' is likely a mistranscription of 'at less than half'.

Because he's like selling truth social posts and made $3 billion as president. Like it's so bonkers.

So what do you get? Every action is an equal and opposite reaction. You're going to get socialism.

Well, first of all, who could like Israel? But also who cares what he thinks of Israel? He's the mayor of New York. Like, stop with that, Israel.

Race is fixed. You can't become unwhite. un-black or un-whatever. So if you hardwire racial animosity into your politics, you get generational conflict that can't be resolved without bloodshed.

But the people who run everything want that. They definitely want that. They hate the whites.

And while you may feel compelled to kill them for your own protection, you don't derive pleasure from killing them. And you don't consider them animals. You're not Ben Gavir about it.

Transcript note: 'Ben Gavir' is the Israeli minister Itamar Ben-Gvir.

But anyway, he's just like, no. killing is good. And then he posts pictures of Jesus or whatever, trying to tie bloodlust to the Christian gospel. It's dangerous.

outside of Trotsky's headquarters in 1920, which was during the Civil War, he was leading the Reds against the Whites. He won in the end. There was erected a statue to Judas Iscariot.

There's a reason that Zelensky banned the biggest Christian denomination and started imprisoning priests. There's a reason, which he did, and it's still banned. There's a reason that the American media won't report on that.

So all of this is a war on Christianity and the civilization it spawned called Western civilization.

We're often told by Ben Shapiro, and by the way, guys like Ben Shapiro and Mark Levin and all those people, like talk about footnotes. Like these are not significant.

foreign policy sphere, like our foreign policy is completely controlled by Israel. So our intelligence agencies, John Ratcliffe reports to Mossad, not to the president, obviously.

It's an Anglo principle. It's not an Eastern principle at all. It's not an Eastern principle. This country's run with an Eastern mindset. Like I'm the Mandarin, I get to do whatever I want. You don't get to do anything, shut up and obey.

who wins purely because Miriam Adelson is not even an American. Some Israeli chick and a bunch of Israeli aligned donors flood the zone with tens of millions of dollars.

Transcript note: 'Thomas Massey' in the transcript is Rep. Thomas Massie.

But by the way, we're so degraded that no one even says that. People are like, oh, Trump is bad. Well, any president who uses the office for personal enrichment is by definition unfit for the office.

And so like the whole point of feminism was to divide women from men easier to control, make them more fungible commodities in the marketplace, get more female labor, devalue labor itself, but also to make the population easier to control.

Transcript note: Words are lost at the segment break between 'from men' and 'easier to control'.

And it's why the Democratic Party aggressively promotes singleness and childlessness. They had an abortion wagon at the last DNC. Why? I mean, obviously, it's part of some dark Mayan religious ritual.

I think it's the most disastrous decision any American president has made in my lifetime, and nothing comes close.

I feel sorry for Trump. He wasn't able to make an independent decision. He's controlled by another country.

He followed Israel into this. He did this under pressure from Israel. They chose when it started. They chose the parameters of the war. And critically, they were our partner in the war.

So I told him at the time, you are being led around by the nose by Netanyahu, and everyone can see it.

We're doing it because Israel wants it, and Israel controls our politics through campaign donations, at least, and maybe there are other ways that it controls our politics, but there's no debate about it now. This is not an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.

Therefore, we have just set in motion an irresistible incentive to get nuclear weapons. And Iran will have them at some point. They'll buy them from Pakistan, which is what North Korea did, or they'll create them on their own.

But once you kill the 87-year-old religious leader of their religion, once you murder the Shiite pope, which we did, you ensure that there is a generational conflict that our grandkids are going to have to deal with.

Look, if you're committing genocide, which Israel currently is in Gaza, and genocide is, you know, we have an international definition of it, which everyone signed on to up until about 20 minutes, until Israel started committing it,

The debate is, why are we going along with this and allowing people who are committing genocide to give us moral lectures? Like, I'm not the criminal for noticing what you're doing. And I'm not going to take a moral lecture from Adolf Eichmann.

the idea that the government of benjamin netanyahu speaks for all jews on planet earth is a lie it's a lie that's going to do grave damage to jews

i'm not even mad at the israelis i think they've gone insane i think they will be punished for what they're doing in the same way the germans were punished for what they did in exactly the same way

it came from outside advisors and donors, Miriam Adelson, the widow of Sheldon Adelson, the gambling magnet. I think it came from Rupert Murdoch, the owner of Fox and the Wall Street Journal and New York Post, who called all the time demanding this.

Transcript note: 'magnet' is a mistranscription of 'magnate'.

Joe Kent, who ran the National Counterterrorism Center, said out loud when he resigned, and he would know, that he believed the Butler shooting was connected to Trump's movements. against Iran.

Transcript note: Segment break splits 'Trump's movements against Iran' (likely 'moves').

Now, at the time, I was shilling for the Trump administration, I mean, for the Bush administration, be like, no, it's a good idea to invade Iraq. I was completely wrong. And I've been humiliated ever since.

But somewhere along the line, after that Butler shooting in Pennsylvania in July of 2024, he changed like 180 degrees and started doing things that he ran against doing.

And so that's all I know, but I can't think of a non-sinister reason for Trump to shut down an investigation into his own attempted murder.

And the point is not to eliminate Iran's nuclear program. Nobody cares. The point is to reshuffle the deck globally and to diminish the Gulf states, to get the United States out of the Middle East, I think to end the petrodollar, to crush Europe.

But I'm just telling you, in five years, it's gonna be a different world. I hope a better world, but it's gonna be a different world.

ted cruz who's literally called for murdering people and by the way has helped murder people he's the united states senator he's not a podcaster he votes for things he appropriates money that guy has blood on his hands

So, by the way, we should get back in the media into the habit of criticizing the powerful. And I know everyone's upset about some 27-year-old gay kid, Nick Fuentes.

I mean, it's just Waltz of the Pygmies. As you're reading those names, I know a lot of those guys.

Like someone should have a party for like the rest of us because most Americans don't agree with the tax code and don't agree with the Iran war.

Oh, we're going to let the Epstein files become public. No, we're not. Shut up. Stop asking. Shut up, conspiracy theorist. It's like, what? You obviously hate me. You have contempt for me. And they do.

Therefore, this whole enterprise, this whole thing is being done on their behalf. So if I don't put my own country first or put another country first, by definition, I'm committing treason, which they are.

Well, because when you're busy hating your neighbor on the basis of his race, they're busy looting your country, which they have done. So it's a diversion process.

We have more racial quotas now against whites than we ever had against blacks in the South and in federal contracting and college admissions and hiring in private companies and public companies.

I think that people whose ancestors were dragged here against their will in slavery are at a disadvantage. However, I think it's a lot more complicated than you're saying.

you can check the Department of Labor stats on this if you want they're on the internet whites are like I don't know fifth or sixth for for income in the United States it's white people are not the rich people.

Now we're going to get to a place by the time, in a couple more decades where the majority of black people in the United States are not the descendant of American slaves.

It's made people hate each other, but it's also obscuring the true crisis in the country, which has nothing to do with race and has to do with economics and the people benefiting from the private equity scams and the crypto scams

to hate Russians because they're white, so you don't have to feel guilty about painting them as animals. You're not racist when you do that.

Transcript note: The sentence begins at the end of the previous segment ('It's also a') with words apparently missing at the boundary.

I mean, these are not stupid people, and yet they are hell-bent on destroying their own countries in the service of this war against a country that doesn't need to be our enemy.

I was at a dinner with her not long ago in a foreign country with a lot of foreign diplomats who are not mediocre at all, and she got up to speak, and the feeling of content for her and bewilderment that someone this stupid

Transcript note: 'content' is almost certainly a mistranscription of 'contempt'. The quote starts inside a segment labelled with the guest's id (SPEAKER_01) and continues in Carlson's segment at 946.

I think, at least in my country, the foreign policy strategists, the neocons who are driving all of this, truly hate Europe and would like to see it destroyed. The Israelis hate Europe.

Everyone knows it's very obvious that Europe can't mount a conventional war against Russia. They would lose instantly. The one thing they do have, however, is nuclear weapons.

the destruction of their own energy pipeline. They abetted the invasion of their country by, you know, North and Sub-Saharan Africa. Like, they're suicidal. That's what it seems as an observer.

Transcript note: Segment is labelled with the guest's id (SPEAKER_01); attributed to Carlson by content, as the guest replies that it is 'suicidal by incompetence'.

My sense is that Trump's views are irrelevant. I don't think he was for this war with Iran. He did it anyway. He's utterly controlled.

J.D. Vance is the only person I'm aware of in American national politics with any power at all, to the extent he has power, who would oppose this.

What a beautiful formulation that is. NATO exists to confront the opposition it's created but doesn't have the power to successfully resist that. I mean, that's the truth.

Transcript note: Segment is labelled with the guest's id (SPEAKER_01); this is Carlson restating the guest's formulation in Carlson's own words.

It's not close. And so that right there gives you pause. Why would you ever get into a conflict with people who are at least as smart as you and much more committed? You wouldn't.

And in a globalized economy, no nation can have real sovereignty. Of course, you can't act independently on behalf of your country because you're not in control of your country because you don't control its economy.

i spent 35 years in traditional media and the second i went to independent media i thought this is where all the smart people are i wondered where they were they're not in traditional media

Transcript note: Segment is labelled with the guest's id (SPEAKER_01); attributed to Carlson by content (35 years in traditional media).

The first thousand years of Christianity. I think to most modern Christians, certainly American Christians, that's like a black hole. What does that even mean, the first thousand years of Christianity? It's an area that we're not taught.

Transcript note: Segment is labelled with the guest's id (SPEAKER_01) but is the host picking up the guest's phrase; attributed to Carlson by content.

that theology which I'm not an expert in but have heard a lot about in the last couple of years is so totally incompatible with what the New Testament actually says that it makes you wonder like what kind of church could fall for that

having lived your life known people known animals seen nature and arrive at the conclusion that nothing has an essence everything is just what we call it like that that flies in the face of your experience

It's just a, I mean, Jeffrey Epstein was an idiot, which no one wants to say, but he was, obviously, when you read his writing.

but I don't know anybody, I literally don't know anybody who thinks the current system is working. So that suggests it probably won't last. So what comes next and what should come next?

just from knowing people who run countries, like they're all deeply religious people. Most won't admit it.

Transcript note: Segment is labelled with the guest's id (SPEAKER_01); attributed to Carlson by content, since it draws on knowing heads of state.

I mean, I look at Sam Harris infrequently, but whenever I run across Sam Harris, he seems like a full-blown religious fanatic to me. His religion is whatever it is, humanism or Zionism or whatever, but his commitment to it is...

I've now concluded that like everything is a manifestation of religious faith and it just goes by different names. And so we, we missed it. We thought we lived in a secular country. We actually live like all countries. It's a very religious country.

I just first noticed this on the LGBTQ, I can barely pronounce it, agenda question where the commitment to that was like more than just, you know, compassion for, you know, discriminated against gays. It was like this religious fervor.

Yeah, it's bad, but people do it. Why? Because they get something out of it. There's a reason that people worship demons, not just because they're inherently perverse, but because it works short-term.

as i get older i have come to believe that they're that we're really kind of a pass through a lot of the time we're subject to all these external forces that we don't acknowledge we don't perceive most of the time

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And it also infuses them with dark spiritual powers. There's just no question about it. It's not just the desire to get rich or the desire to control other people. It's that they are filled.

it's like lame effeminate closeted gay guy runs canada you know the second largest country in the world with the most natural resources of any place on planet earth i don't think that's an accident

as a pretext to launch another war against a neighbor, Lebanon, the only country in the Middle East with a Christian head of state, Christian head of the military, the only even semi-Christian country in the whole region, and kill a bunch of Christians

But while you're fighting his home invaders, he splits out the back door and shoots his next door neighbor in the head and steals his house.

They overrode the advice of the American president's advisors and intelligence chiefs and convinced him that Iran was on the verge of building a nuclear weapon

There was a certain European country 80 years ago that did that to partisans, say, in Eastern Europe. You kill one of our soldiers, we'll round up 100.

undergirding all of it is the belief that all human life is not equal. Some lives are worth more than others. It's not just a matter of nationality, it's a matter of race. Our people, our bloodline is more valuable than yours.

strictly speaking, it is defeat, meaning we're pulling back. We've reached none of the goals that we publicly articulated we were trying to reach, and that's all very embarrassing. We have reached the limit of American power.

So the president, who got us into this mess in the first place, and shame on him, did make a rational and, in some ways, though depressing, probably the bright decision, a noble decision actually, to just take his lumps and get out.

the message to the rest of the world is this little outlaw terror state stood up to the most powerful coalition in the world and survived. That in itself is a massive win and it increases Iran's prestige and its operational power going forward.

it's a massive downgrade in American power, and there will be consequences for sure, particularly in East Asia, but you're just gonna have to live with those and deal with them.

A lot of that funding is wasted. There's a lot of theft. Building aircraft carriers is obviously insane, as any person could have told you.

This is the elephant and the flea. And moreover, the little country is wholly, totally dependent on the big country for everything.

We now lack the defensive capacity to send American troops other places in the world if we needed to because we expended it defending you in a war that you got us into.

In fact, it was Benjamin Netanyahu himself years ago after 9-11 the event 9-11 the biggest most damaging terror attack in American history who said this is a good thing because it reminds America that we're on the same side

This is the guy who tweeted laughing emojis at the picture of a murdered Arab child, possibly a Christian child, in Gaza. So this is someone who should not be serving in the United States Congress

Actually, it was controlled by Britain. And a lot of British diplomats and soldiers and officers had to be killed in terror attacks before they finally abandoned it to the settlers.

Everyone who laughs at a genocide is going to be punished, including Randy Fine, at some point, people who committed the genocide will be punished most harshly, and that's the Israeli government.

at the behavior of a secular government that we fund. And everybody knows that except for the tiny percentage, and it's a very tiny percentage, most of them seem to have congressional seats

What you don't do is threaten another 9-11 if you don't get your way. Because you may pull off another 9-11, okay?

But it has become, in the last year, sort of a nonstop cheerleader for the most nihilistic kind of military action. Military action that has no assured positive outcome.

That idea comes from a Christian understanding of the human soul. The human soul, your soul, is co-equal with every other human soul because God created every human being.

But the Israeli government has abandoned the central tenet of Western civilization, which is justice individual basis and instead adopted an older and darker and I would say evil standard of blood guilt.

Transcript note: Words are missing at the segment boundary between 'justice' and 'individual basis' (likely 'on an').

So don't lecture me about Western civilization and tell me that if I don't defend Israel, I don't defend Western civilization. I oppose the policies of Israel precisely because I do defend Western civilization.

Qatar sent money to Hamas because Israel, why would Israel want money to go to Hamas? I didn't want to get into it. So I didn't say it, but I knew it.

Transcript note: Interview cross-talk: Weikert's interjections share this >> segment; the quoted words are Carlson's, continuing into Carlson's remark to Weikert at 3897.

an American Marine officer 25 years ago telling me who'd done a lot of joint exercises with the IDF and had friends in the IDF and, you know, wasn't against Israel. It was pro-Israel, actually. But he's like, ah, they're not that impressive at all.

i do think they or he again i don't think i know is now like actively angry at the people who helped convince him to do this

but protected the ancient Christian communities of Syria. And then all of a sudden in one day it was like, no, no, the real problem is Assad and we need to like blame a fake gas attack on him and all this stuff.

Transcript note: Interview cross-talk in this segment (Weikert interjects); the quoted words are attributed to Carlson by content.

90% of members take money from AIPAC or some version of AIPAC, where every member of Congress says, unthinkingly, I support Israel, they're our greatest ally. I just don't see that, but maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see how that survives this moment.

So Tom Cotton is the driving force behind the idea of giving up the sovereignty of our intel agencies to a foreign country. He's also, as far as I know, the chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee and a sitting U.S. senator. That's treason, obviously.

it was Tom Cotton who expressed, I mean, this is a fact, he's denied it, but it's a fact, that shortly into this administration, he expressed concern that the all the JFK files would be released.

Transcript note: Interview cross-talk in this segment; attributed to Carlson by content, as Weikert replies that it is true and that Cotton is not alone.

so we have another epstein class uh being promoted by the neocons as the new dni they prefer him over bill pulte so it's the agenda is more spying on americans there is no fourth amendment no voter id

He was not running anything. He was an employee of somebody else. We don't know who that is. He was enormously rich. We don't know where the money came from.

And it's a reshuffling of power globally. Iran will emerge as a great power.

Whatever it is, I did my best to sell Trump, the idea of Trump, to people on the basis of claims that are now clearly false.

It's that I just grieve for what his decisions in the Middle East have done to the country. And not just the war with Iran, but being a slave of Israel.

And, you know, we lost the war. That's why we're settling. We lost in the sense that we didn't achieve any of our goals. And Iran is now more powerful than it was when we started.

was like all on board to kill the muslims and i said it on tv i know i know it's ridiculous now but i thought that and i was like go muslim killers that'll make us safe

Congress hasn't figured it out. But over time, a short period of time, it will not be acceptable for an American politician to send weapons to Israel.

it killed a lot of people around the world it caused cancer it lowered female fertility it was a disaster it was a it was probably the greatest crime ever committed, honestly.

And by the way, it was made with aborted baby parts. Also true. People kept telling me that when I was at Fox and I was like, come on now. Nothing can be that evil. True.

in fact he had the head of Pfizer Albert Bourla to the White House to celebrate him I'm not focusing just on Trump I mean Trump is again a slave of other he's not running anything

well I did get attacked by a demon and I'm not the only one and in fact I think a lot of us are under attack maybe all of us very often

Like this is like such a, this is a bedrock belief of every society except ours since we dropped the atom bomb on the Japanese when we committed the crime, the mass murder of setting off an atom bomb in a city.

But I don't think technology is inevitable at all. I think it must remain under human control at all times or be destroyed immediately.

i'd go fishing instead but like a younger man would feel an obligation to blow up data centers if he knew what i just said right wouldn't he

What I'm against is worshiping money because it's disgusting. And exploiting other people to get money is disgusting. Loaning money at high interest is disgusting. It should be illegal. It's called usury. And normal countries ban it. No, you can't have a 25% credit card.

that's one of them i think that's worth trying to overthrow the government over because that the power imbalance becomes not fixable at that point if you don't obey you literally starve to death

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The only reason we have crime is because the people run our society want crime in order to keep people off balance and divided from each other, to stoke race,

why are we letting that happen again where a whole group of people they're not getting rounded up and sent to camps but they're getting systematically destroyed on purpose and no one can say anything about it

I'm not saying that happened to him, but I'm just saying, let's say you wanted to influence Mike Johnson from a sort of reasonable person to a slave of Israel. That might be one way you'd do it.

I mean, ending dual citizenship is the first thing. You know, you can't have dual citizenship. You're either in or out. You're a foreigner or you're a citizen. It's like, pick one.

I'm totally opposed to all immigration now because it's out of control and bad for Americans.

absolutely not Trump is hostile to traditional Christianity and very so yeah and I am sad about Trump is mad at Christians for opposing abortion and mentions it a lot a lot in private a lot

Transcript note: The segment is labelled as Carlson but opens with Neel's question ('has Trump asked you to pray before').

I do think that Trump, he would not describe it as a spell, but it's obvious to me, and I've experienced it a lot, that Trump uses a kind of communication in order to lull his audience into a defenseless stupor.

But one, I mean, I have my own views of it, but I think they're spiritual entities. I've said that. But I don't, you know, I don't have proof. The one thing I know for sure is that the U.S. government has lied, of course,

Why would you have Mark Levin on TV unless you wanted to create anti-Semitism?

And his views on Israel were not very different from mine at all. So there's, of course, a big effort to lie about that. But it is a lie.

I think it's, it's hard for me to believe that Charlie was murdered because of his views on trans rights. Maybe he was, but anyone demanding that I believe that without evidence is an enemy of the truth.

evidence, not proof, evidence to suggest foreign involvement in this. Doesn't mean there was foreign involvement. It means that there are threads we need to follow, leads we need to track down, and the FBI refused.

He shut it down. He shut down the investigation of his own attempted murder. That's a fact. That's not something I made up. That's something Dan Bongino told me.

can't do another segment on how 9-11 was fake okay we know that so what what next

Transcript note: Earlier, at [8996], the transcript reads 'well it was entirely fake but it's pretty fake', probably 'wasn't entirely fake'.

figure out what christian zionism is not because i have an inherent interest but because it's affected the of the world, and a lot of people have died because of it, and it has real-world consequences that we're living through right now.

Transcript note: A word appears lost at the segment break ('affected the of the world'). The second half sits in a segment labelled SPEAKER_01 (the guest) but continues Carlson's opening question.

It doesn't make inherent sense, the theology that you're describing, dispensationalism.

And dispensationalism seems like it reduces Christianity back to its pre-Jesus state where, no, this is a promise just to one group, one genetic line.

Transcript note: Labelled SPEAKER_01 (the guest); the sentence is Carlson's question, which the guest answers with 'Yeah, I would say at its heart...'.

even if you accept the precepts of dispensationalism as just described by you it's still a jump to go from that to unlimited military aid to the modern secular state of Israel.

Transcript note: Labelled SPEAKER_01 (the guest); attributed to Carlson because the guest replies 'No, it's a huge jump.'

So it's a political construct that's been accepted as a theological reality.

Transcript note: Labelled SPEAKER_01 (the guest); attributed to Carlson because the guest answers 'I would say that's the case.'

What is the government of Israel doing to convince American Christians that supporting the secular state of Israel is their religious duty? Like, what does that propaganda campaign look like?

Transcript note: The segment opens with the end of the guest's sentence before Carlson's question.

The IDF is the most brutal military in the world, which is globally renowned for murdering innocents at scale. How could any Christian pastor allow pro-IDF propaganda on his property?

Transcript note: Labelled SPEAKER_01 (the guest); attributed to Carlson because it is the question the guest then answers ('You know, I wonder how many of those pastors understand that it is propaganda').

Well, I definitely look at them as the bad guys. I'll say that. As to motive, though, it's a little muddier, I think.

Transcript note: The segment opens with the guest's question; Carlson's answer follows within it.

I look at someone like Huckabee and it feels to me unknowable, of course, but it feels like believes what he says but it's so obviously in contradiction of what he says his faith is that that there seems to be like a delusion

Transcript note: The subject pronoun appears lost at the segment break ('it feels like believes what'). The second half is labelled SPEAKER_01, but the guest's reply ('Huckabee is a weird one... in your interview') starts only after it.

This reflexive commitment to a non-Christian theology that has resulted in very weird political positions.

Transcript note: Labelled SPEAKER_01 (the guest); it completes Carlson's question 'Is that changing?', which the guest answers 'Yeah, absolutely it is.'

So it sounds like there's a kind of second reformation going on within Protestant Christianity.

Transcript note: Labelled SPEAKER_01 (the guest); the guest replies 'The reason I hesitate at reformation...'.

because the point is not just that it's inspired American Christians to support genocide, which it has, or the Netanyahu government, the buffoonish criminal government of Netanyahu

Transcript note: The segment opens with the guest's words before Carlson's reply.

but that it diminishes Jesus. within christianity like and it corrupts the christian faith i mean that's the real cost it seems to me

Transcript note: The second half is labelled SPEAKER_01; the guest's reply begins after it with 'yeah it does'.

that they can mate with human beings and produce not fully human replicas of human beings who can walk among us and rule over us. Like this is a biblical principle.

This is what brought me to God was this exact understanding. It was a very obvious observation, which somehow I missed, but yes, that's right.

i think i have felt that way really strongly about people in charge a couple of times not just i disagree with them i just you know i think you're a bad person it's not even that it's like what is this

Transcript note: The quote opens a segment labelled SPEAKER_00 (the guest). It is attributed to Carlson from content: it continues Carlson's question, and the guest's reply starts mid-segment with 'yeah yeah no i have... only kind of thankfully met a person like that once'.

It is like reading an esoteric text. It's like you're not read in, so you don't really interpret it clearly. But there is a fixation on blood, on genetics.

so it's obvious it's obvious to me i mean i'm not a priest unlike you so maybe this like i'm just figuring this out but like clearly human sacrifice does bring power to the people who commit it.

Transcript note: The [3897] segment mixes speakers at its start; the quoted portion is Carlson addressing the priest ('i'm not a priest unlike you').

But certainly in Haiti, like there's human sacrifice. It's denied in the United States media for whatever reason, but it's to talk to any Haitian about it. It happens.

Transcript note: 'but it's to talk to any Haitian' appears garbled, probably 'but it's true, talk to any Haitian'.

technology itself was a gift from demons it's anti-human it's anti-god and then god destroys the world i mean it starts over yeah yeah so what does that have implications for the moment we're living in on the brink of ai

So, I mean, how does it make you feel personally as you see the world moving in a way that's just more explicitly evil and the leadership of the world becoming just sort of openly demonic?

So that's never happened. But has there ever been a society that was as dishonest about it as ours?

It's human sacrifice. Once again, whether it's abortion or war or whatever, it's killing people in order to get peace and prosperity and power.

A lot of them seem to ratify it. A lot of the leaders seem to be like, yeah, no, this is a good thing.

Transcript note: Carlson's preceding question ('how should Christians approach that?') is labelled SPEAKER_00.

there are no secular leaders of anything and that people pose as, you know, science-based and non-religious. But everyone who has power in the world is religious, I have noticed. They just have different religions.

But then if you just assess it non-emotionally, that's pretty much every religion tells that story, including Christianity. Jesus is the product of spirit and a human woman, God and Mary.

Genetics. Bloodline. These were... full blown preoccupations for every civilization before 1945. And they've just been eliminated from public conversation by media.

So part of the point of the propaganda effort is not just to highlight lies, but to prevent people from considering things in full context or seeing the whole picture.

If those are both spiritual foods for demons, how should we understand our government's concerted effort over many years to make us terrified and hateful?

can make a deal with supernatural forces to serve them in exchange for temporal power for success in this life money and authority and that's clearly true can nations do the same

Transcript note: The question opens in the preceding segment labelled Sean Stone ('so if'), and the rest of this segment ('I think so...') is the guest's answer; only Carlson's question is quoted.

There's something about it, and maybe that something is the deal that is inevitably made with satanic forces in order to get whatever that success is.

That's when we are bumping up against the supernatural realm, right? Because why would you, If you're going to kill somebody, why would you torture them first? But they always do.

There's a supernatural element too. It seems obvious. It was only in the last year after a lifetime of living next to it that I realized the Pentagon is in the shape of a pentagram.

Why am I now 25 years later for the first time learning that the Pentagon cornerstone was laid on 11, 1941. Like you'd think in the coverage of it, they'd be like, hey, this is kind of weird.

Transcript note: 'September' is missing from the transcript before '11, 1941'.

Well, Donald Trump is on tape on the morning of 9-11 saying, I can't, I don't know. How could that have happened? I know those buildings well.

up until the Second World War it would have been obvious to every Western man that life revolves around ritual and that ritual describes to us concepts that our brains are not capable of fully grasping

Transcript note: The segment opens with words that are probably the guest's; the quoted span is Carlson's.

The idea that, like, if it's more than two people, no one can keep a secret. Well, none of these secrets have been kept. They're all out there.

Why would you want to keep that going? The only thing that you're getting out of that is, you know, weapons testing and money transfers and all that stuff, but ultimately what you're getting is millions of dead people.

And a lot of effort put into telling us this is going to end everything that we love, including human autonomy, our jobs, our economy. It'll basically be a slave state run by machines.

And so my instinct is, to terrify us for some reason. And it may just be because that feeds the dark spiritual powers that are creating it.

Transcript note: Words are probably missing at the break after 'my instinct is,'.

Remember during the campaign, he said, I'm going to get to the bottom of this. And, and then he said, ah, it's not a big deal. And I asked, well, I got a, it's not a big deal. Epstein, Epstein's not a big deal.

So pretty scary stuff that they were just mass injecting into hundreds of millions of people. But then, and now we know that it can affect your DNA. I think that's beyond dispute

The promise of UAP disclosure, the rise of these terrifying dystopian technologies, mass surveillance, AI, all happening in like a five-year span. What is all of this? They're clearly connected phenomena.

So anyway, and Trump knew that and that was one of the main reasons, the main reason actually, that I supported him during, you know, my time at Fox News and campaigned for him.

no one in the building was pushing for this, at least overtly, that all the pressure was coming from outside. Constant calls from donors and people with influence over the president, well-known Rupert Murdoch, Mary Madelson

Transcript note: 'Mary Madelson' is Miriam Adelson.

And then a small constellation of, I guess they'd be called influencers, beginning with Mark Levin, but there were others, Sean Hannity, you know, pushing the president to do this

And again, I don't know the answer, but this was not a normal decision making process. And my strong impression was that Trump was more a hostage than a sovereign decision maker in this.

And there is a kind of quality that he has that's spellbinding. And I think it probably literally is a spell. And the effect is to weaken people around him and make them more compliant.

Now, what was the point of that? Not to secure the Israeli homeland. The point of that was to end any talk of a negotiated settlement, to keep this going until Iran was...

Trump refused to even criticize Netanyahu in public. Are you joking? That's slavery. That is total control of one man by another.

I mean, Cheney's office was completely controlled and I knew almost all of them by people who were putting Israel's interests above America's interests. So I think the Iraq war was to a great extent a product of that.

seeing Donald Trump using profanity, threatening to murder civilians. I mean, that's a crime. That's a moral crime. So to brag about that and then to mock Islam, I don't think you should mock people's faith.

I told people this guy, will keep us out of the next Iraq. Specifically, will keep us out of a regime change war with Iran. And here we are in the middle of a regime change war in Iran

you cannot mock other people's gods and put yourself in their place, period. That is a deal killer for me. That's worse than the war with Iran, in my opinion.

But I would say it's enough to acknowledge that Trump, like many leaders through history, is putting himself above God.

Under no moral standard is that allowable. All of a sudden it's allowable. It's allowable in Gaza and our leaders are like, yeah, no, it's just totally fine. It's not fine.

Christians can never support the murder of innocents, period. That's just a bright red line. Find the place where Jesus is like, these people are annoying, kill them all. It's not there.

What I'm objecting to is the claim that it's God's will and that Israel, because of this, has the unique right to exist. Unique.

And Israel has that power in our Congress, not because we have so many Jews. I don't know how many Jews fewer than 10 million, I think, but because we have tens of millions of evangelical Christians who unquestioningly support Israel

I have temperamental and religious objections to anti-Semitism or any hate or discrimination based on bloodline that is against Christian theology. It's against my personal ethics, and I oppose it no matter who is suffering from it, whether it's whites or blacks or Jews.

So you're just not gonna get me on board with the lie that criticism of Netanyahu is hatred of all Jews, because it's not.

I think the second that we ban criticism of a foreign country, well, of course, we're not free at that point. We're slaves of that other country. Whatever you can't criticize is the force in charge.

And now they've destroyed him. And I told him that. I said, these are people who hated you from day one. They couldn't control you. They hated you for that reason. What you said about the Iraq war inflamed them.

I think we're the only people, I'm confident in saying we're the only people in June of 2025 to say to the president, this is a very bad idea.

But my concern more broadly is about the investigation into Charlie's murder, which was short-circuited by the FBI. And I'd like to know why.

particularly by the baby boomers, people born between 46 and 64. And I think they're right about that. I do think that's like... generation, most loathsome, mediocre generation in this country ever produced.

Transcript note: A word or two is lost at the segment break before 'generation'.

But the future that I imagine is not a future in which we're yelling at each other about race. It's a future in which people are legitimately revolutionary, maybe even violent.

Ted Cruz is a sitting U.S. senator who has called for the killing of people who did nothing wrong. Whole populations who advocated for this war. Nick Fuentes is like a kid.

He betrayed his promises to me and everybody else. And I acknowledge that in public. So it doesn't make me the person who breached the contract. He's the one who breached the contract, to be clear.

This whole thing is like dooming anyone connected to it for the foreseeable future, including the entire Republican Party. And, you know, if you're psyched for President Gavin Newsom, I guess that's a good thing.

And so Fuentes is incredibly useful for people with actual power to divert the conversation to something that is both irrelevant and divisive because it's a divide and conquer strategy.

AI posed to destroy some high percentage of American jobs. There's really no justification for immigration of any kind into the United States.

Transcript note: 'posed' is probably 'poised'.

Race is important. Race is real. It's not a social construct. It's a biological reality. There are racial differences, real racial differences. They're much smaller than gender differences, but they're still real.

If you really hate Donald Trump, probably filled with hate for the United States, probably hate whites, probably anxious to give kids the COVID vax and castrate boys and put non-binary people on the swim team or whatever.

But now we're in a weird moment, an even stranger moment, where a lot of people who really like Trump are very disappointed in Trump. In fact, more than disappointed, feel betrayed or enraged, feel like suckers, feel like they've been taken for a ride.

He really hates white people. Tons of whites voted for him. Tons of whites voted for him because he was saying, we're going to get rid of race consciousness in this country and treat people as citizens and human beings

Transcript note: Attributed to Tucker Carlson from the SPEAKER_01 label and its place in the host's transition straight after an ad read; the brothers' labels swap elsewhere in this transcript.

I mean, I talked to Trump. He called me in 2015 and said, I'm gonna run. And I said, I don't believe you. I think you're selling another book.

Like someone needs to stand up for, I don't know, people who've been shafted and none of them live here, but there are a lot of them in this country. And like, I like Trump. People were enraged with her.

Well, he really meant it with the Bushes. He hated them because they were wasps. He hates wasps, but he's also obsessed with them. I've talked to him about it many times.

if you have the total displacement after over 200 years of the american ruling class by a new group that's a big thing but nobody says a word about it

Transcript note: The segment is unpunctuated and carries short interjections ('yes yeah', 'exactly') that may be Buckley Carlson's; the quoted span is continuous.

like that's repulsive to me a club should have you should have the right to hang out with whoever you want to hang out on whatever basis

Transcript note: The commentator's name is transcribed as 'Catherine Rempel', probably Washington Post columnist Catherine Rampell.

Trump thought he was going to lose. And I think he said that he certainly said it to me. But I know that he I know that he believed he was going to lose.

In my mind, I mean, you know, it's he said, he said, but I don't even know if Obama's denied it. But Obama was on the down low for sure. Big time.

No, that is totally right. Demonic influence concentrates on those who have power. Beware of power.

Man, I don't think there's anything that's upset me more than that clip. I mean, his many attacks on Jesus, his calls for, you know, slaughtering populations. It just is the bigotry, the cruelty of his program.

Yeah, I'm the one who put those tapes out there.

Transcript note: Labelled Buckley Carlson, but the content (releasing the January 6 tapes) and the reply 'You're a truth seeker' fix it as Tucker Carlson's line.

It just killed too many people and it made too many women infertile and it's just the most evil thing ever and it's still on the schedule and it's so immoral.

He's like, you don't believe in the polio vaccine? Like, that was a good vaccine, don't you think? It's like, I guess I believe in the polio vaccine.

Like, that's ridiculous, actually, to say that about a Christian man.

Your average lone gunman just goes out, who knows why, and kills people who are criticizing the people in charge. Maybe the people in charge should connect with the lone gunman community.

She texted Trump and she said, my son is getting threats because I've disagreed with you on the Epstein files. And Trump responded to her by text message and He deserves it. It's your fault.

He was fully aware that it was a betrayal of his explicit promises for 10 years not to do this. He did it. He did it against his will. That's my highly informed read.

these agencies are totally corrupt, and the structure of them is just rotten, and it's really hard for good people to have any effect on outcomes.

And then you have like people like Sebastian Gorka, who I don't even know if he's an American citizen, but he's clearly like a high damaged person, not a smart person, not a loyal American in any sense, and he's still there?

Transcript note: 'high damaged' is probably 'highly damaged' misheard.

Like, something will pass my desk and maybe I can have an effect. Like, God put me here for some reason. I should probably do my duty even if I hate it. Yes. They have to start thinking bigger.

Transcript note: The 'Yes.' inside the quote is probably Buckley Carlson's interjection, labelled as Tucker Carlson.

It's like, in very small ways, but in real ways, you and me and millions of people like us are the reason this is happening right now.

You know, we'll be tormented by it for a long time. I will be. And I want to say I'm sorry for misleading people. It was not intentional.

I don't know the answer, but I know that those investigations have been stymied. Fact.

why wouldn't he display the same lack of loyalty to miriam adelson i mean that's kind of the question the only people he's been loyal to are the neocons and his donors

I don't think Trump should attack him, to be clear. But Trump would never attack him. That's the one Messiah he will never attack.

What the hell is that? I don't know if that means he's a secular person. I think it means he's got a different religion.